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problems with egoists by anastasiyacemetery problems with egoists by anastasiyacemetery
When you walk on streets and many many idiots think that you will be happy to inhale their death
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wow... so threatening gun-violence is not egotistical - but smoking tobacco is?  You want to force your will on someone else with a loaded weapon, and you think puffing a few breaths of smoke is egotistical? 
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anastasiyacemetery Oct 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist

wow, you think that it's not a cry despair but systematic habbit? Yep, many people don't use brains...


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adamdawidowicz Sep 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
It's not entirely about the egoism since the egoism implies a "choice". The problem lies in the addiction, which is a "must". It is a very common misunderstanding - the smokers are not a "bad" persons, they are simply ill. Which is why the social campaigns against the tobacco are so naive and ineffective - you can't cure the illness with the billboard or TV ad, no matter how much money will you put in it. The nicotine is a very strong drug, in many addiction strength lists on top or close to heroine or crack. The addicted is not thinking all by himself and it's far from beeing a matter of a pure egoism. However I admit that it is still frustrating to inhale the fumes. And I know it even better than a casual non-smoker, since I quit the cigs after few years of heavy (really heavy) smoking.
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anastasiyacemetery Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It not the question of the disease, it is a question of concern for others. If I am sick, I do not think that my disease must hurt to others. Otherwise I'm just sick on head )
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adamdawidowicz Sep 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Of course that it's bad when the disease affect the people around. But here's the thing - while it is bad, the urge to satisfy the addiction is often stronger than a sense or conscience. It's as much justified to bring the egoism here as to the alcoholic that is geting wasted every damn evening, while his children are starving. Is it immoral? Of course, but he's way beyond the point when he can choose the morals, the urge caused by the changes in his brain (and you virtualy can't fight the damage in your brain with the will or morals) is stronger than any awareness.

It doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't do so, but it changes the fact that the egoism is not a factor here. Vast majority of smokers are normal people and are able to concern people around them in the other fields. But when it cames to the addiction - their brain tells them "I'm hungry, feed me". You should treat them as the people with diminished capacity. Which is why I can't agree for bringing the egoism here, because it's far more serious than a simple case of egoism.
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anastasiyacemetery Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes, but looking at the fact that every fifth person in the crowd is with a cigarette, I do not believe that they are all in a hurry, that would not be able to step aside and smoke.They smoke on children in the crowd. And here at work people do not go out, they are smoke on the stairs, because they just don't care. This is just unconsciousness, than most people live, do they smoke or not.
Sorry for my English
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adamdawidowicz Sep 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I'd rather guess that not everywhere smoking is considered to be a desease. Both physical and a mental. And that is why it's not a good thing to bring the egoism (or other morals) into play - it's not about the egoism at all. These people are sick, and as long as they are not aware of that simple fact, nothing will change. In Poland, even though it's improving, it is still vastly believed to be a part of a life-style rather than the actual addiction. People blabbering something like "I smoke because I like" rubbish instead of "I smoke because I'm addicted" are everywhere. I don't know how is it in Russia, but I guess it's similar.

The situation have been changing since people were convinced to look at the cigs as the illness that requires the cure, not a part of their choice. When they had noticed that they did not choose anything to begin with. In addition to that, authorities pushed the law to ban the smoking in public areas (private properties like pubs, bars and restaurants alike), hospitals, schools etc with a financial penalties for those who break this ban. From time to time even the idea appears to ban the tobacco completely. And it works. It needs time of course, it needs effort and sometimes lobbying on your deputies, but it works. Bringing the moral issues were never as efficient as simply stating the facts, with a little help from the law. Since this approach was introduced in Poland (after the several Western countries) the impact of smokers on non-smokers was greately reduced, and the numbers of smokers began to decrease. Inventions like e-cigaretes also helps to fight the problem.

Cheers and good luck :)
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anastasiyacemetery Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
point not in smoking, don't you understand me. The point in care. if these people are so ill that they do not see others around - then they must be placed in a madhouse.

selfishness is a disease developed in its sole resolution.
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adamdawidowicz Sep 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I have found a decent article about the topic, it might help you understand the core of the problem. It's long and in English, but worth the time.
science.howstuffworks.com/life…
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adamdawidowicz Sep 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
In a matter of fact most of the addicted people somewhat belongs to the mental treatment. Especially in most severe cases. That's exactly my point - it's not selfishness on their part, at least not in every case.
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